You weren't wrong to expect "every sane and decent person to acknowledge the evil, and to condemn it." We, as a society, need to keep this expectation and be appalled at those who don't. That's how we keep our humanity intact.
I have yet to verify specifically Hamas-produced footage demonstrating atrocities of the nature that obviously is important to the Narrative else it wouldn't be repeated regularly and insisted upon (beheading babies, ripping babies out of wombs, bombing hospitals, raping and parading rape victims in the street etc.). In our current situation, it's next to impossible to adequately verify such claims. The main reason I believe such atrocities were committed by Muslims in various places around the world prior to October (going back decades) is because the Mainstream whitewashed or ignored them and attacked anyone who tried to raise awareness of it as an "Islamphobe racist". Now that same Goddamned Mainstream wants me to join the anti-Palestinian Bandwagon. Something smells fishy about the whole thing. Not to mention that Israel was part of the Covid Industrial Complex, as was virtually every other Western polity.
> The main reason I believe such atrocities were committed by Muslims in various places around the world prior to October (going back decades) is because the Mainstream whitewashed or ignored them and attacked anyone who tried to raise awareness of it as an "Islamphobe racist". Now that same Goddamned Mainstream wants me to join the anti-Palestinian Bandwagon.
The mainstream isn't a monolithic force, it's a collection of disparate factions with different agendas. The people who were screaming "Islamophobic racist" are still doing that.
Your essay seems to rely on the Mainstream 100% for all the facts -- a habit that would not surprise me from a Leftist, but from someone who has become dismayed by the Mainstream these past 3 years, it's odd.
I've noticed that the majority in the Alt-Sphere (that growing yet still relatively small number of people who have become suspicious of the Mainstream after the Covid Scam and numerous other major Narratives) are now suddenly uncritically swallowing what that very same Mainstream is promoting. "I still have my Ukraine decorations up -- now you want me to put up a Star of David? Whatever you say, Big Brother!"
I was clear that criticism is good. I just disagree with your NPC-horseshoe game. And again, Hamas provided evidence of their butchery. I condemn it. No buts.
Something my first reaction is to think ‘yeah right, I had better check this’. It isn’t irrational to automatically disbelieve something someone who has lied to me repeatedly tells me.
I agree. Good thing I don't do it unthinkingly. Covid (not the putative virus but the coordinated Shitshow), to take one giant steaming example, provoked a lot of thought.
is there anyone who doesnt like jews? i know jewish people think there is. i know this idea is confirmed by the occasional crazy person. but in all of social media i have never read or seen any anti semitism.
yet, anti semitism is spoken about frequently. IMO, this is the same as when people bring up "transphobia". really, no one is transphobic. what people dont like are policies that rob women of their right to safety by allowing men into womens spaces. and other policies that promote quack care to kids and gays to address normal dysphoria most would grow out of.
i think you see where i am going with this. modern israel has had a rocky history. it is a cold war experiment by the US gov gone wrong. and now israel continues to keep millions of native arabs in a harsh illegal prison for the past 56 years with no hope for resolution. yes, what hamas did was a crime. but it was expected due to the hopelessness of the situation. one could argue that hama's crimes are what israeli hawks wanted. after all, israel financed the creation of hamas in the 1980s. this attack is part of what they were buying. it enables israeli harks the same way sinking the Lusitania got the US into ww1. one has to wonder how hamas spent 6 hours during the attack?
the oslo accords were ment to allow both parties to stop fighting. palestinians did so. on the israel side members of bibi's party murdered rabin and then murdered the peace process. they have a different plan. they intend ethinic cleansing of millions of native arabs who have lived in this area for 1000s of years. israel plans that the USA will cover for israel while it perpetrates this pogrom against the native arabs while 8 billion ppl watch.
i hope israel will change its policies and opt to resolve the occupation. it holds all the cards for now. anything that occurs like this hamas attack must be blamed on the harsh occupation that has been ongoing for 56 years.
If a person cheers on ‘from the river to the sea’ this is anti-semitic. This means to kill or Ethnically cleanse JEWS from Israel. Not Israelis. JEWS. 20% of the Knesset is ‘Palestinian’. Do you think those Israelis will be killed? There is no recognition of the right to life of an Israeli Jew in the Islamic world. If a person supports this it most definitely means ‘kill Jews’. I don’t see how you can’t see this as anti semitic. If the KKK wants to drive ‘Alabamans’ into the sea, and they mean black Alabamans, this is anti black. Not anti Alabaman.
"from the river to the sea’ this is anti-semitic."
no, its not anti semetic. palestinians have been trapped in a harsh illegal occupation for 56 years. this prison camp is separated in into two main prison camps, the west bank and gaza. the entire population of west bank and gaza, millions of people are being brutally starved by israels illegal occupation. from the river to the sea simply means please end the occupation so native people can travel from one area to the other. israrl is enacting an illegal genocide against the native people of palestine who have lived in this area for 1000s of years. this genocide is intended to benefit white people from US and europe.
About 20% of Israel is Islamic. No one is trapping anyone anywhere. Or was. Now they are. Because of Hamas. You write as if you believe Israel kicked all the Muslims from Israel and put them in concentration camps. Many live in refugee camps. They purposely left Israel in order to wage war and weren’t allowed back in. But the refugee camps are located in OTHER countries. Islamic countries. And those countries also won’t accept them into their countries.
so what? again - israel has illegally kept millions of people in a harsh military prison called the west bank and gaza for 67 years. the only reason israel does this is to rob the native people of their rights and of their property for the benefit of white people from US and eruope. so what if there are some non white people in israel? if they support the occupation they are equally at fault. why should other countries enable israeli illegal actions
You do not know anything. You are spouting propaganda. Israel began with a declaration from the UN. It was a legal land purchase no different than Louisiana or Alaska were legal purchases. A million Jews moved there. The land they purchased was the worst land. They turned it into the jewel of the ME. When the purchase was made neighbouring countries - Muslim countries - decided to steal all Jewish wealth from their countries. They expelled Jews. The projected population of immigrants went way up. Arab Muslim countries despite it being Arabs who sold Israel to the West objected to Israel and started a war. Which they lost. During the war they told Muslims to leave the country as it was going to be a total all out war to finally kill all Jews. They failed. The Arabs who went to refugee camps, who had left Israel, were not allowed to join Jordan Egypt Lebanon etc. West Bank was part of Trans Jordan, as Jordan was then called. It was on the West Bank of the Jordan River. It was used as a staging area to blitzkrieg in to Israel, kill Jews, and go back. Israel took it from Trans Jordan. It was nEver Palestine. Eventually Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty in which Jordan ceded West Bank to Israel. It is legally Israel. These are not illegal occupations. They are subdivisions.
"It was a legal land purchase no different than Louisiana or Alaska were legal purchases"
israel was allowed land that is a tiny fraction of the land it occupaies today. it is ileagal for israel to occupiy the west bank and gaz.
israel is one of the worst nations on earth because it is commiting an optional genocide of innocent native people to benefit whites from US and europe who have no ties to this area.
all the issues you bring up have nothing to do with the illegal occupation of west bank and gaza.
israel fought wars? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
some countries kicked out jewish people? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
some dude somewhere on earth dropped chewing gum on a sidewalk? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
West Bank is legally Israel. It previously had been part of a country called ‘Trans-Jordan’. Which included what we now know as Jordan, plus some land across the Jordan River. Jordan used that land as a staging area to race into Israel, kill people, and race back. Israel took that area from TJ. Some years later Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty. One of the terms was Israel was given West Bank. 100% West Bank is Israel.
Furthermore Palestine never existed as a country. Countries, Federal States as we know them, don’t extend back into history very far. America and Canada are relatively old countries. There were tribes, then there were city states, ie Rome Paris Marseille Vienna Siena etc, then in the 1700s countries formed. The ME was largely war lords controlling areas. Killing each other constantly. In the late 1800s the world powers tried to civilize the ME. They artificially formed countries, patterned after Europe. There was a region of Palestine, but never a country of Palestine. There were no people who would have said ‘I am Palestinian’. In the same way a man from Siena in 1700 would not have said he was Italian. He was Sienese. Or Viennese. Or a Florentine.
If Islam signed a treaty with Israel allowing it to exist there would be no war. But they won’t because deep inside they want to kill all Jews. That is the only impediment to peace.
West Bank was legally Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan LEGALLY ceded Westbank to Israel in a Peace Treaty. Making Trans-Jordan merely Jordan. And Westbank legally Israel. There is no genocide.
white men have created a carefully crafted PR and lobby campaign whose purpose is to rob the rights of marginalized people for the benefit of white men who are not marginalized , but pretend to be. the native people of palestine pose zero threat to the nation of israel. none. white people from US and europe lie that they are to enact an illegal genocide. your being lied to. not sure where you live. i live in california. im not jewish or arab. im one of the people paying for the fraud israrl is perpetrating. its a complete lie. the last time there was any sigificant population of jewish people in palestine was 5th century. the modern state of israel is a cold war action via the US gov gone wrong.
"in all of social media i have never read or seen any anti semitism" it gets deleted pretty quickly and people get deboosted and deplatformed for it. So it's easy to think there's nothing there. That's the problem with censorship. We can't even agree that there is a lot of Jew hatred out there because you just don't see it in places that spend time and money so that you won't see it.
I have a profile on Gab. I've seen this stuff. I don't go to Gab for the anti-semitism, but for the freedom of speech. The Jew hatred is rampant on there since it's a free-speech platform. People who have those views go to where they can share those views and talk with like-minded people. I don't think it should be censored. We should know it exists. It most definitely exists.
I'm used to it from the "right" but I was shocked to see the "left" join in after the Hamas attacks.
I am a rightie. A Canadian one, mind you. And our left right doesn’t align with US left right. I know UK left is more labour union oriented than our left, which is more prog left. But in Canada all the racism and/or anti semitism is left, not right. My son is married to an African woman. Two of my grandchildren are beautiful little half black girls. Only lefties have said, hesitantly, ‘your grandchildren will be black....are you okay with this...’!!! It was clear they wouldn’t be. None of my right friends remotely hinted at anything. It was shocking to me as I hadn’t heard anything even slightly racist for Decades. It was meaningless. But it was racist.
i dont know what to say about your comments. you mention there is anti semitism, but dont give any examples. that doesnt mean your suffering isnt real. what we've learned is that when guys can comment anonymously on the internet they say the most offensive things. im not sure that qualifies as anything other than acting obnoxious. but ive never even seen any of that relating to jewish ppl. i doubt most people today would even know what the word jewish means. most couldnt even ID the UK on a map. ive never heard of gab. i go on twitter occasionally but not while im at home. my wife "suggested" i dont use twitter at home and ive found i have a better mental state when i hold to that.
its my opinion that the modern state of israel receives too much support. US citizens support israel uncritically. most US citizens have no idea about history or about whats going on in the world. thats not good for israel. the blank check theyve been provided means israel has no incentive to make peace. indeed they are opposed to it. members of bibi's polictial party murdered the peace practising Israeli PM Rabin. germans blamed jewish ppl for the loss of ww1. it was a populist smear campaign performed by propagandists. now israel is doing the same thing to the arabs. pro israel support causes many to be racist against arabs and blame them for the circumstance they find themselves in. these ppl have lived in the palestinr area for 1000s of years. is that anti semitic to say? not in my opinion. friends need to be honest with each other.
You weren't wrong to expect "every sane and decent person to acknowledge the evil, and to condemn it." We, as a society, need to keep this expectation and be appalled at those who don't. That's how we keep our humanity intact.
Hear, hear.
Americans tend to forget that the outside world exists independently of their culture war.
Thank you for your beautiful honesty.
I have yet to verify specifically Hamas-produced footage demonstrating atrocities of the nature that obviously is important to the Narrative else it wouldn't be repeated regularly and insisted upon (beheading babies, ripping babies out of wombs, bombing hospitals, raping and parading rape victims in the street etc.). In our current situation, it's next to impossible to adequately verify such claims. The main reason I believe such atrocities were committed by Muslims in various places around the world prior to October (going back decades) is because the Mainstream whitewashed or ignored them and attacked anyone who tried to raise awareness of it as an "Islamphobe racist". Now that same Goddamned Mainstream wants me to join the anti-Palestinian Bandwagon. Something smells fishy about the whole thing. Not to mention that Israel was part of the Covid Industrial Complex, as was virtually every other Western polity.
> The main reason I believe such atrocities were committed by Muslims in various places around the world prior to October (going back decades) is because the Mainstream whitewashed or ignored them and attacked anyone who tried to raise awareness of it as an "Islamphobe racist". Now that same Goddamned Mainstream wants me to join the anti-Palestinian Bandwagon.
The mainstream isn't a monolithic force, it's a collection of disparate factions with different agendas. The people who were screaming "Islamophobic racist" are still doing that.
Your essay seems to rely on the Mainstream 100% for all the facts -- a habit that would not surprise me from a Leftist, but from someone who has become dismayed by the Mainstream these past 3 years, it's odd.
I've noticed that the majority in the Alt-Sphere (that growing yet still relatively small number of people who have become suspicious of the Mainstream after the Covid Scam and numerous other major Narratives) are now suddenly uncritically swallowing what that very same Mainstream is promoting. "I still have my Ukraine decorations up -- now you want me to put up a Star of David? Whatever you say, Big Brother!"
I was clear that criticism is good. I just disagree with your NPC-horseshoe game. And again, Hamas provided evidence of their butchery. I condemn it. No buts.
Unthinkingly believing the opposite of the perceived "mainstream" is no more intelligent than unthinkingly accepting it.
Not totally. When a known liar tells me
Something my first reaction is to think ‘yeah right, I had better check this’. It isn’t irrational to automatically disbelieve something someone who has lied to me repeatedly tells me.
I agree. Good thing I don't do it unthinkingly. Covid (not the putative virus but the coordinated Shitshow), to take one giant steaming example, provoked a lot of thought.
is there anyone who doesnt like jews? i know jewish people think there is. i know this idea is confirmed by the occasional crazy person. but in all of social media i have never read or seen any anti semitism.
yet, anti semitism is spoken about frequently. IMO, this is the same as when people bring up "transphobia". really, no one is transphobic. what people dont like are policies that rob women of their right to safety by allowing men into womens spaces. and other policies that promote quack care to kids and gays to address normal dysphoria most would grow out of.
i think you see where i am going with this. modern israel has had a rocky history. it is a cold war experiment by the US gov gone wrong. and now israel continues to keep millions of native arabs in a harsh illegal prison for the past 56 years with no hope for resolution. yes, what hamas did was a crime. but it was expected due to the hopelessness of the situation. one could argue that hama's crimes are what israeli hawks wanted. after all, israel financed the creation of hamas in the 1980s. this attack is part of what they were buying. it enables israeli harks the same way sinking the Lusitania got the US into ww1. one has to wonder how hamas spent 6 hours during the attack?
the oslo accords were ment to allow both parties to stop fighting. palestinians did so. on the israel side members of bibi's party murdered rabin and then murdered the peace process. they have a different plan. they intend ethinic cleansing of millions of native arabs who have lived in this area for 1000s of years. israel plans that the USA will cover for israel while it perpetrates this pogrom against the native arabs while 8 billion ppl watch.
i hope israel will change its policies and opt to resolve the occupation. it holds all the cards for now. anything that occurs like this hamas attack must be blamed on the harsh occupation that has been ongoing for 56 years.
Your understanding of the situation is really incorrect. End what occupation? Where is Israel occupying something it has no legal right to?
If a person cheers on ‘from the river to the sea’ this is anti-semitic. This means to kill or Ethnically cleanse JEWS from Israel. Not Israelis. JEWS. 20% of the Knesset is ‘Palestinian’. Do you think those Israelis will be killed? There is no recognition of the right to life of an Israeli Jew in the Islamic world. If a person supports this it most definitely means ‘kill Jews’. I don’t see how you can’t see this as anti semitic. If the KKK wants to drive ‘Alabamans’ into the sea, and they mean black Alabamans, this is anti black. Not anti Alabaman.
"from the river to the sea’ this is anti-semitic."
no, its not anti semetic. palestinians have been trapped in a harsh illegal occupation for 56 years. this prison camp is separated in into two main prison camps, the west bank and gaza. the entire population of west bank and gaza, millions of people are being brutally starved by israels illegal occupation. from the river to the sea simply means please end the occupation so native people can travel from one area to the other. israrl is enacting an illegal genocide against the native people of palestine who have lived in this area for 1000s of years. this genocide is intended to benefit white people from US and europe.
About 20% of Israel is Islamic. No one is trapping anyone anywhere. Or was. Now they are. Because of Hamas. You write as if you believe Israel kicked all the Muslims from Israel and put them in concentration camps. Many live in refugee camps. They purposely left Israel in order to wage war and weren’t allowed back in. But the refugee camps are located in OTHER countries. Islamic countries. And those countries also won’t accept them into their countries.
so what? again - israel has illegally kept millions of people in a harsh military prison called the west bank and gaza for 67 years. the only reason israel does this is to rob the native people of their rights and of their property for the benefit of white people from US and eruope. so what if there are some non white people in israel? if they support the occupation they are equally at fault. why should other countries enable israeli illegal actions
About 20% of the Knesset is Islamic. If they were intending on a genocide this obviously wouldn’t be the case.
You do not know anything. You are spouting propaganda. Israel began with a declaration from the UN. It was a legal land purchase no different than Louisiana or Alaska were legal purchases. A million Jews moved there. The land they purchased was the worst land. They turned it into the jewel of the ME. When the purchase was made neighbouring countries - Muslim countries - decided to steal all Jewish wealth from their countries. They expelled Jews. The projected population of immigrants went way up. Arab Muslim countries despite it being Arabs who sold Israel to the West objected to Israel and started a war. Which they lost. During the war they told Muslims to leave the country as it was going to be a total all out war to finally kill all Jews. They failed. The Arabs who went to refugee camps, who had left Israel, were not allowed to join Jordan Egypt Lebanon etc. West Bank was part of Trans Jordan, as Jordan was then called. It was on the West Bank of the Jordan River. It was used as a staging area to blitzkrieg in to Israel, kill Jews, and go back. Israel took it from Trans Jordan. It was nEver Palestine. Eventually Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty in which Jordan ceded West Bank to Israel. It is legally Israel. These are not illegal occupations. They are subdivisions.
"It was a legal land purchase no different than Louisiana or Alaska were legal purchases"
israel was allowed land that is a tiny fraction of the land it occupaies today. it is ileagal for israel to occupiy the west bank and gaz.
israel is one of the worst nations on earth because it is commiting an optional genocide of innocent native people to benefit whites from US and europe who have no ties to this area.
all the issues you bring up have nothing to do with the illegal occupation of west bank and gaza.
israel fought wars? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
some countries kicked out jewish people? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
some dude somewhere on earth dropped chewing gum on a sidewalk? so what. that doesnt change the fact they are illegally occupying west bank and gaza.
uv been lied to by people pushing propaganda
West Bank is legally Israel. It previously had been part of a country called ‘Trans-Jordan’. Which included what we now know as Jordan, plus some land across the Jordan River. Jordan used that land as a staging area to race into Israel, kill people, and race back. Israel took that area from TJ. Some years later Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty. One of the terms was Israel was given West Bank. 100% West Bank is Israel.
Furthermore Palestine never existed as a country. Countries, Federal States as we know them, don’t extend back into history very far. America and Canada are relatively old countries. There were tribes, then there were city states, ie Rome Paris Marseille Vienna Siena etc, then in the 1700s countries formed. The ME was largely war lords controlling areas. Killing each other constantly. In the late 1800s the world powers tried to civilize the ME. They artificially formed countries, patterned after Europe. There was a region of Palestine, but never a country of Palestine. There were no people who would have said ‘I am Palestinian’. In the same way a man from Siena in 1700 would not have said he was Italian. He was Sienese. Or Viennese. Or a Florentine.
If Islam signed a treaty with Israel allowing it to exist there would be no war. But they won’t because deep inside they want to kill all Jews. That is the only impediment to peace.
yes, israel is illegally occupying the west bank and gaza. israel is commiting genocide against millions of native people. this is illegal
You need to read some history. There is nothing illegal about Israel being in the West Bank.
West Bank was legally Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan LEGALLY ceded Westbank to Israel in a Peace Treaty. Making Trans-Jordan merely Jordan. And Westbank legally Israel. There is no genocide.
your wrong abiut thay. just one of the lies white made up
white men have created a carefully crafted PR and lobby campaign whose purpose is to rob the rights of marginalized people for the benefit of white men who are not marginalized , but pretend to be. the native people of palestine pose zero threat to the nation of israel. none. white people from US and europe lie that they are to enact an illegal genocide. your being lied to. not sure where you live. i live in california. im not jewish or arab. im one of the people paying for the fraud israrl is perpetrating. its a complete lie. the last time there was any sigificant population of jewish people in palestine was 5th century. the modern state of israel is a cold war action via the US gov gone wrong.
"in all of social media i have never read or seen any anti semitism" it gets deleted pretty quickly and people get deboosted and deplatformed for it. So it's easy to think there's nothing there. That's the problem with censorship. We can't even agree that there is a lot of Jew hatred out there because you just don't see it in places that spend time and money so that you won't see it.
I have a profile on Gab. I've seen this stuff. I don't go to Gab for the anti-semitism, but for the freedom of speech. The Jew hatred is rampant on there since it's a free-speech platform. People who have those views go to where they can share those views and talk with like-minded people. I don't think it should be censored. We should know it exists. It most definitely exists.
I'm used to it from the "right" but I was shocked to see the "left" join in after the Hamas attacks.
I am a rightie. A Canadian one, mind you. And our left right doesn’t align with US left right. I know UK left is more labour union oriented than our left, which is more prog left. But in Canada all the racism and/or anti semitism is left, not right. My son is married to an African woman. Two of my grandchildren are beautiful little half black girls. Only lefties have said, hesitantly, ‘your grandchildren will be black....are you okay with this...’!!! It was clear they wouldn’t be. None of my right friends remotely hinted at anything. It was shocking to me as I hadn’t heard anything even slightly racist for Decades. It was meaningless. But it was racist.
I do mean white racism. I have heard Asians be racist towards blacks.
i dont know what to say about your comments. you mention there is anti semitism, but dont give any examples. that doesnt mean your suffering isnt real. what we've learned is that when guys can comment anonymously on the internet they say the most offensive things. im not sure that qualifies as anything other than acting obnoxious. but ive never even seen any of that relating to jewish ppl. i doubt most people today would even know what the word jewish means. most couldnt even ID the UK on a map. ive never heard of gab. i go on twitter occasionally but not while im at home. my wife "suggested" i dont use twitter at home and ive found i have a better mental state when i hold to that.
its my opinion that the modern state of israel receives too much support. US citizens support israel uncritically. most US citizens have no idea about history or about whats going on in the world. thats not good for israel. the blank check theyve been provided means israel has no incentive to make peace. indeed they are opposed to it. members of bibi's polictial party murdered the peace practising Israeli PM Rabin. germans blamed jewish ppl for the loss of ww1. it was a populist smear campaign performed by propagandists. now israel is doing the same thing to the arabs. pro israel support causes many to be racist against arabs and blame them for the circumstance they find themselves in. these ppl have lived in the palestinr area for 1000s of years. is that anti semitic to say? not in my opinion. friends need to be honest with each other.